Talk:Enigma machine

Not a single mention of Turing?

Really? I feel like he at least deserves a mention. Rhosnes (talk) 07:01, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

I came to this talk page for the same reason. I know next to nothing about this topic, but I am editing a non-Wikipedia article about AI that mentions Turing and what he was famous for already by 1950, when he wrote "Computing Machinery and Intelligence." I thought he would've been famous at that point for something to do with the Enigma machine. A Ctrl+F of this article seems to indicate otherwise. Then again maybe I have been unduly influenced by Hollywood over the years—namely by U-571 and Imitation Game. But still was he famous for that or not? Wouldn't it be good to mention him at least once, even if it is to say he has nothing to do with it? A bored human (talk) 12:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@A bored human: How goes it? This article is on the Enigma rotor cipher machine only. There is a article called Cryptanalysis of the Enigma that describes how Polish intelligence broke the Enigma encipherment and how that was used by the British to break further Engima encipherments during the war. Turing is mentioned in this article. He took a lead in break Enigma ciphers and built a machine to do it automatically. However, the Enigma rotor cipher machine, its design and use by the German military during the interwar period and world war II are nothing to do with Turing. Its not the correct context. The U-571 (film) article is historical fiction. It was a British unit that recovered the cipher book before the Americans even entered the war. Hope that helps. scope_creep^Talk 13:06, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@A bored human: It wasn't just Turing that broken the Enigma cipher, there was many folk of equal importance who worked on, many thousands. scope_creep^Talk 13:07, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

2003 paper by de Leeuw

I removed this sentence from the history: *This [the invention of Enigma by Scherbius] was unknown until 2003 when a paper by Karl de Leeuw was found that described in detail Scherbius' changes. This is not what that reference says at all; moreover de Leeuw's paper was not found in 2003. The source instead describes an earlier 1915 rotor encryption device invented by two Dutch engineers. —BillC ^talk 23:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

References

Broken link

Citation [8] has a broken link New link is https://cryptocellar.org/enigma/files/rew80.pdf

Sorry I cannot figure out how to edit it 49.196.83.111 (talk) 07:38, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Done - the article used the (IMO) convoluted SFN reference format, and it's a nightmare to figure out. Thanks for spotting. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Introduction of Reflector isn't consistent

In the section about Design> Reflector: "With the exception of models A and B, the last rotor came before a 'reflector' "

That's inconsistent with the section about Models > Die Glühlampenmaschine, Enigma A (1924):

"The reflector, suggested by Scherbius' colleague Willi Korn, was introduced with the glow lamp version."

And just after that in the description for Enigma B:

"... both models A and B were quite unlike later versions: They differed in physical size and shape, but also cryptographically, in that they lacked the reflector.

I suspect there's a mistake in one or the other but I'm not sure which. EchelonForce (talk) 13:32, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Serbian Enigma

There is Enigma exhibited in the military museum in Belgrade Serbia as well. 87.212.165.3 (talk) 13:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)